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Amber Dawn

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I'm a freelance writer and editor for the EA community. I can help you edit drafts and write up your unwritten ideas. If you'd like to work with me, book a short calendly meeting or email me at ambace@gmail.com. Website with more info: https://amber-dawn-ace.com/

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(to be transparent, like other people commenting my prior is that you cutting yourself off from communication seems sad and probably a bad idea, but I'm interested in hearing more about what exactly your opinions are before I argue against it)

I'm interested in what 'social motivations' means here and why you think nearly all of your social motivation is misaligned.

To me, your examples at the micro level don't make the case that you can't solve a problem at the level it's created. I'm agnostic as to whether CBT or meta-cognitive therapy is better for intrusive thoughts, but lots of people like CBT; and as for 'doing the dishes', in my household we did solve the problem of conflicts around chores by making a spreadsheet. And to the extent that working on communication styles is helpful, that's because people (I'd claim) have a problem at the level of communication styles.
 

Let’s research some impactful interventions! Would you come to an intervention evaluation 101 learning-together event in London?

I want to run an event where we get together and do some quick-and-dirty intervention evaluation research, to learn more about how it works. I know nothing about this so we’ll be learning together!

Where: (central?) London
When: a mutually-agreed weekend day
What: I’ll come up with a structure loosely based on (some stages of?) the AIM/Charity Entrepreneurship research process. We’ll research and compare different interventions addressing the same broad problem or cause area. For example, we might start by quickly ranking or whittling down a long list in the morning, and then do some deeper dives in the afternoon.  We’ll alternate between doing independent research and discussing that research in pairs or small groups.

If you're interested in coming, please DM me: I’ll use a WhatsApp chat to coordinate. No need to firmly commit at this stage!

Why?
I hope to:

-Better understand how charity evaluators and incubators such as GiveWell and AIM form their recommendations, so I feel more empowered to engage with their research and can identify personal cruxes

-Learn how to assess interventions in areas that I think are promising, but that haven’t been discussed or researched extensively by EAs

-Just learn more about the world?

The event could also be useful for people who want to test their fit for EA research careers, though that’s not my own motivation.

What cause area?
We’d vote on a cause area beforehand. My vision here is something like ‘an area in global health and development that seems very important, but that hasn’t been discussed, or has been discussed relatively minimally, by EAs’.

What next?
If this goes well, we could hold these events regularly and/or collaborate and co-work on more substantive research projects.

Is there a point to this? 
AIM’s process takes ~1300 hours and is undertaken by skilled professional researchers; obviously we’re not going to produce recommendations of anywhere near similar quality. My motivation is to become personally better-informed and better-engaged with the nitty gritty of EA/being impactful in the world, rather than to reinvent the GiveWell wheel. 
That said, we’re stronger together: if 50 people worked on assessing a cause area together, they’d only have to spend 26 hours each to collectively equal the AIM process. 26 hours isn’t trivial (and nor is 50 people), but it’s not crazy implausible either. If collectives of EAs are putting AIM-level amounts of hours into intervention evaluation in their spare time, seems like a win?

Ugh bad luck Saulius, I totally feel your frustration. I've had a few covid-bouts where I tested positive for over 2 weeks. It feels really frustrating to have to miss out on important things when it's unclear that you're even infectious, and also unclear that others are taking similar precautions. 

It sounds like you've made your decision but fwiw, in your position I'd tell people about my covid status and offer them outdoor meetings if they were comfortable with that. 

Yeah, that's what I hoped. I couldn't honestly say that I would care about these labels (cos I don't eat animal products anyway), but I said stuff like 'consumers would like to know this', which I think is true.

That's interesting! 

As a follow-up, in consultations you've been involved with, did they put weight on the thoughts on random members of the public, assuming the thoughts were sensible ofc?

I have a few thoughts on this.

First, it's definitely worth considering if you're contributing to conversations, but as others have said, I don't think the bar has to be "your post is as well-thought-out and detailed as a Scott Alexander post on the same topic". I basically trust the Forum's karma system + people's own judgment of what's valuable to them to effectively filter for what's worth reading, so I don't think writers have to do that themselves. If your post isn't valuable to individuals, they won't read it or upvote it.

A way you can see this is: if you write the thing, people can choose not to read it, but if you don't write it, they can't choose to read it. I feel like what you are doing is similar to how some EAs are like 'oh I won't apply to that job because I don't want to waste the org's time and surely I'm not a good candidate'. Well, that's true for some jobs, but most orgs want people to apply, even if they are uncertain, and they'll do the filtering themselves! 

Second, maybe if you're worried about diverting traffic from posts you see as better, you could incorporate those posts into your own and link them/give them a shout-out.

E.g.: [at the end of the post] "if you're interested in this topic, I found this post by [NAME] super helpful in clarifying my thoughts."
E.g.: [at the start of the post] "I really enjoyed this post by [NAME] on [TOPIC], and it inspired me to write up some more arguments about [TOPIC] that [NAME] didn't go into"

i.e. frame your post as a "yes and" or as a contribution to an ongoing conversation, rather than something designed to compete with, or be as good as, other posts. 

NON-example: "If you care about this topic you should probably read this post whch is waaaay better than mine I'm sure" self-flagellate, self-flagellate

Third, would it help to frame your writing (to yourself, or explicitly in the post) as a way for you to clarify your own thinking, rather than as something that has to make an original argument? For example, Holden Karnofsky has talked about 'learning by writing': maybe you are doing a version of that, rather than being at the absolute cutting edge of research. You might say 'well, in that case, I don't need to publish it', and it's true you don't have to publish anything, but some reasons to publish this sort of writing might be:

-it might be helpful, not for experts, but for others with similar expertise to you (or less) who are trying to clarify their own thinking on the matter
-you can get feedback from commenters that might help you learn
-the fact of having Published a Thing might motivate you to do more of this


 

FWIW I'm happy this question was asked publicly: I had no idea about this ruling (which is just extremely cruel and unhelpful) and this is a serious inclusion issue. 

Yeah, this is a good point: you can go a long way with just commitment/agency/creativity/confidence/?

I mean, maybe people who are strong in those traits aren't really "mediocre", ?

But yeah, this is a good reminder that excellence isn't just one axis.

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