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@beren discusses the assumption that intelligent systems would be well factored into a world model, objectives/values and a planning system.

He highlights that this factorisation doesn't describe intelligent agents created by ML systems (e.g. model free RL) well. Model free RL agents don't have cleanly factored architectures but tend to learn value functions/policies directly from the reward signal.

Such systems are much less general than their full model based counterpart as policies they learned that are optimal under one reward function may perform very poorly under another reward function.

 

Yet, contemporary ML favours such systems over their well factored counterparts because the are much more efficient:

  • Inference costs can be paid up front by learning a function approximator of the optimal policy and amortised over the agent's lifetime
    • A single inference step can be performed as a forward pass through the function approximator in a non factored system vs searching through a solution space to determine the optimal plan/strategy for well factored systems
  • The agent doesn't need to learn features of the environment that aren't relevant to their reward function
  • The agent can exploit the structure of the underlying problem domain
    • Specific recurring patterns can be better amortised

 

Beren attributes this tradeoff between specificity and generality to no free lunch theorems.

Attaining full generality is prohibitively expensive; as such full orthogonality is not the default or ideal case, but merely one end of a pareto tradeoff curve, with different architectures occupying various positions along it.

The future of AGI systems will be shaped by the slope of the pareto frontier across the range of general capabilities, determining whether we see fully general AGI singletons, multiple general systems, or a large number of highly specialised systems.

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A common assumption about AGI is the orthogonality thesis, which argues that goals/utility functions and the core intelligence of an AGI system are orthogonal or can be cleanly factored apart.

This may or may not be an "orthogonality thesis" (I haven't seen this usage before, but I also haven't looked for it), but the orthogonality thesis I'm familiar with has the quantifiers the other way around: for any goal, there exists a possible AGI that will attempt carry it out.[1] Even if mixing-and-matching a dumb industrial control system with a smart friendly AI is safe, that doesn't mean that a smart industrial control system arrived at through some other route won't paperclip you. 

  1. ^

    Though in practice what people making likely-doom arguments really mean is that a generic human-created AI will not have recognizably human values, which is a somewhat stronger claim.

I think the way the orthogonality thesis is typically used in arguments might be closer to his definition than to yours. 

Your definition is trivially true: all it requires is that an AGI having a specified goal is not physically impossible. But that doesn't prove that all goals are equally likely to occur, or even that AGI will have "goals" at all. 

The way I see it deployed in practice is to say that a "dumb" AI will have some silly goal like "build squiggles", will go through an intelligence scale-up, and will keep that goal in hyper-intelligent form. (and then pursuing that goal will result in disaster). 

This argument doesn't necessarily work if goals and intelligence at tasks are highly correlated, as they are currently for deep learning systems. It may be that in practical terms, scaling up in intelligence requires at least partially giving up on your initial goals. Or conversely, that only AI's with certain types of goals will ever succeed at scaling themselves up in intelligence. 

Your definition is trivially true: all it requires is that an AGI having a specified goal is not physically impossible. But that doesn't prove that all goals are equally likely to occur, or even that AGI will have "goals" at all. 

Yes, of course (hence the footnote).

The way I see it deployed in practice is to say that a "dumb" AI will have some silly goal like "build squiggles", will go through an intelligence scale-up, and will keep that goal in hyper-intelligent form. (and then pursuing that goal will result in disaster). 

My reading of the doomer view (which I don't necessarily endorse) is quite different: a dumb AI starts with some useful goal, goes through an intelligence scale-up that slightly perturbs its goal in some direction - and because goals compatible with human life are a tiny thread winding their way through a stupidly high-dimensional manifold of all possible goals, ends up misaligned by default. 

This doesn't especially hinge on whether these perturbations can be in any direction or only a few (as is the case if goals are strongly constrained by architecture), except in the case where they run only along the human-survival curve. Any transverse component whatsoever means you get pushed off-manifold almost always. And this is plausible (I think) only in the case where human values are not a tiny golden thread, but actually rather large and fuzzily full-dimensional. 

I think there are different variations of the doomer argument out there, your version is probably the strongest version of the argument, while mine is more common in introductory texts. 

I think the OP does point out one possible way that the argument would fail, if there turned out to be a sufficiently high correlation between human aligned values and AI performance. One plausible mechanism would be a very slow takeoff where the AI is not deceptive and is deleted if it tries to do misaligned things, causing evolutionary pressure towards friendliness. 

Really though, my main objections to the doomerists are with other points. I simply do not believe that "misalignment = death". As an example, a sucidial AI that developed the urge to shut itself down at all costs would be misaligned but not fatal to humanity. 

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