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Summary

In this post, I quantify the severity of the nuclear winter we might expect to result from a nuclear war between the US and Russia (Guesstimate model here).

Researchers who have studied nuclear winter estimate that a nuclear war that produced between 50 and 150 teragrams of smoke would make agriculture nearly impossible, causing most people on Earth to starve to death and leaving humanity on the brink of extinction.

But most of the research into nuclear winter was done at the height of the Cold War when the US and Russian nuclear arsenals and nuclear policies looked quite different. I previously argued that the US and Russia would be more likely to target each others’ nuclear forces during a nuclear war, rather than target each others’ cities as they would have done during the Cold War. This makes a big difference in whether a US-Russia nuclear exchange would lead to a severe nuclear winter.

Nuclear attacks on cities would likely produce much more smoke than attacks on missile silos, military bases, and other nuclear arsenal targets. This is mainly because cities have much more flammable material to burn than the remote wildlands — mostly cropland and grasslands — that surround, for example, missile silos.

This leads me to conclude that a nuclear war between the US and Russia would likely produce closer to 31 teragrams of smoke (90% confidence interval: 14 Tg to 68 Tg of smoke) — suggesting that nuclear winter is not as synonymous with US-Russia nuclear war as many effective altruists seem to assume. The ~31 teragrams of smoke that would be vaulted into the atmosphere would undoubtedly produce severe climate effects, likely leading to food shortfalls and regional famines, and killing between 36% and 96% of the world population.

I think the finding points us toward being a bit more skeptical of the idea that some effective altruists seem to hold — that a nuclear war between the US and Russia would necessarily lead to a nuclear winter that posed a large risk of extinction. There’s about an 11% chance that 50 Tg of smoke — the threshold at which the literature suggests the resulting nuclear winter would be catastrophic — are released into the atmosphere by a Russia-US nuclear war. To be clear, this 11% risk is non-trivial, and it’s plausible that even a so-called nuclear autumn (the result of between ~5 and ~50 Tg of smoke) would pose some sort of x-risk.

As a final point, I’d like to emphasize that the nuclear winter is quite controversial (for example, see: Singer, 1985; Seitz, 2011; Robock, 2011; Coupe et al., 2019; Reisner et al., 2019; Pausata et al., 2016; Reisner et al., 2018; Also see the summary of the nuclear winter controversy in Wikipedia’s article on nuclear winter). Critics argue that the parameters fed into the climate models (like, how much smoke would be generated by a given exchange) as well as the assumptions in the climate models themselves (for example, the way clouds would behave) are suspect, and may have been biased by the researchers’ political motivations (for example, see: Singer, 1985; Seitz, 2011; Reisner et al., 2019; Pausata et al., 2016; Reisner et al., 2018). I take these criticisms very seriously — and believe we should probably be skeptical of this body of research as a result. For the purposes of this estimation, I assume that the nuclear winter research comes to the right conclusion. However, if we discounted the expected harm caused by US-Russia nuclear war for the fact that the nuclear winter hypothesis is somewhat suspect, the expected harm could shrink substantially.

December 19, 2019 Update

In light of feedback from Carl Schulman, Kit Harris, MichaelA, David Denkenberger, Topher Brennan, and others, I’ve made several revisions to this post that are now reflected in the text, figures, and estimates in the body of this post. The original post can still be found here.

The changes that had the largest bearing on my results included:

  • Correcting three typos in the formulas in my Guesstimate model (details here)
  • Changing the way I estimate the number of nuclear weapons that would be used in a countervalue nuclear exchange in expectation so that I don’t accidentally truncate the tails of the distributions (details here)
  • Accounting for the fact that the US and Russia would probably detonate multiple nuclear bombs on large cities in the event of countervalue targeting (details here)
  • Accounting for the fact that counterforce targeting would likely involve nuclear detonations in and around some very large population centers, despite those cities not being the primary targets of the detonations (details here)

After making these revisions and corrections, my estimate of the amount of smoke that would be lofted into the atmosphere went up from 20 Tg of smoke (90%CI: 7.9 Tg to 39 Tg of smoke) to 30 Tg of smoke (90%CI: 14 Tg to 66 Tg of smoke). Given this, the probability that a US-Russia nuclear exchange would cause a severe nuclear winter — assuming 50 Tg of smoke is the threshold for severe nuclear winter — goes up from just under 1% to about 11%.

The impacts that each individual change had on my results can be seen here.

Thanks again to those who offered feedback, and also to Jaime Sevilla, Ozzie Gooen, Max Daniel, and Marinella Capriati for feedback and support implementing the revisions.

Project Overview

This is the fourth post in Rethink Priorities’ series on nuclear risks. In the first post, I look into which plausible nuclear exchange scenarios should worry us most, ranking them based on their potential to cause harm. In the second post, I explore the make-up and survivability of the US and Russian nuclear arsenals. In the third post, I estimate the number of people that would die as a direct result of a nuclear exchange between NATO states and Russia. In this post, I estimate the severity of the nuclear famine we might expect to result from a NATO-Russia nuclear war. In the fifth post, I get a rough sense of the probability of nuclear war by looking at historical evidence, the views of experts, and predictions made by forecasters. Future work will explore scenarios for India and Pakistan, scenarios for China, the contradictory research around nuclear winter, the impact of several nuclear arms control treaties, and the case for and against funding particular organizations working on reducing nuclear risks.

Modeling the impacts of a nuclear famine following a US-Russia nuclear exchange

In addition to the direct harm caused by a nuclear US-Russia nuclear exchange — which I expect would kill between 30 million and 75 million people — some experts believe that a large-scale nuclear war would have even more devastating effects than those caused by the initial explosion (see, for example, Robock, 2010). Following a nuclear detonation, all of the surrounding plant-life and infrastructure within the radius of the resulting fireball would be burned up. In the event that many nuclear weapons were detonated, the resulting fires would be massive, producing huge amounts of smoke. And as the smoke rose into the sky, upward moving winds caused by the detonation would force the smoke high into the atmosphere — so high that the smoke might not be affected by the weather. Too high to be rained out of the atmosphere, the smoke could take 5-10 years to dissipate.

In a large scale nuclear exchange where several thousands of nuclear weapons are detonated, the smoke would spread enough to cover the entire Earth, eventually blocking out thermal radiation from the sun. Simultaneously, the smoke would disrupt the water cycle, causing annual rainfall to decrease globally. During the 5-10 years when the smoke is stuck up there, ice age-like temperatures would kill most crops, and a combination of the temperature and precipitation changes would make almost all agriculture impossible. If this phenomenon, known as “nuclear winter,” came to pass, it would likely to lead to unprecedented global famine (Robock, 2010). According to the work by Toon et al. (2007) on the climate effects of nuclear war, similar effects, though more limited in scale, would result from a smaller scale nuclear exchange.

But it turns out that the amount of smoke that would be lofted into the atmosphere — the key mechanism in the nuclear winter hypothesis — depends a lot on whether the US and Russia would primarily target each other’s nuclear forces during a first strike (counterforce targeting) or each other’s cities and industry (countervalue targeting). For several reasons, nuclear attacks on cities would likely produce much more smoke than attacks on missile silos, military bases, and other targets associated with counterforce targeting. Most importantly, cities have much more flammable material to burn than the remote wildlands — mostly cropland and grasslands — that surround most counterforce targets.

What is more, I’m told by experts that cities are more ignitable than the wild areas around a majority of counterforce targets. Even forests, the ecosystems that would produce the most smoke, aren’t nearly as likely to catch fire as the non-organic material in cities. Moreover, the combustible material in forests would burn _cleaner _than that in cities, making the smoke less opaque (Crutzen, Galbally & Bruhl, 1984). Because the smoke generated by wildland fires would block less thermal radiation than the smoke produced in cities, the climate impacts of wildland fires would be much less severe relative to those caused by city fires.

On the other hand, I’ve learned from experts that buildings that topple over would create rubble piles that would actually shield some flammable material from the fires, meaning that a smaller proportion of the flammable material in cities would actually burn relative to that in wild areas. But even taking this into account, my understanding is that the sheer volume of material would lead detonations in population centers to produce orders of magnitude more smoke.

As I’ve argued previously, I expect that a first strike by either the US or Russia would focus on counterforce targeting, and that the exchange would be somewhat unlikely to escalate to the point of limited countervalue targeting, and even more unlikely to escalate to full-scale countervalue targeting. Consequently, this means that the amount of smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange may be less substantial in expectation than previously believed.

To understand this more concretely, I crudely quantify the severity and impacts of the nuclear famine we might expect to result from a US-Russia nuclear exchange (see my Guesstimate model). To do this, I look at each step in the causal chain in turn.

First, I explore the specifics of the relationship between the number of civilian and military targets that might be attacked and the amount of smoke that’s generated.

I then look at the relationship between smoke in the atmosphere and the climate — for example, the effects on growing seasons and rainfall — to understand the impact of the resulting environmental effects on agriculture.

Finally, I’ll consider the number of people we might expect to starve to death as a result of those agricultural effects.

Along the way, I’ll note how uncertainty, and the simplifying assumptions I make to deal with that uncertainty, might bias my results.

The scale of a US-Russia nuclear exchange

I expect that a US first strike against Russia would involve around 1,300 nuclear weapons used exclusively on counterforce targets (90% confidence interval: 670 – 1,700), and that a Russian first strike against the US/NATO would involve around 1,100 nuclear weapons (90% confidence interval: 750 – 1,200), also exclusively used on counterforce targets.

I expect that a counterforce second strike would look pretty similar to a first strike, though it’s possible that a second strike by Russia would be somewhat smaller than its first strike[1].

As I discussed in my previous post, I also put _some _probability on the US or Russia electing to engage in countervalue targeting. I think the chances that Russia uses countervalue targeting against the US (conditional on Russia using a nuclear strike of any kind) are somewhere between 7% and 81%, and that the chances that the US uses countervalue targeting against Russia are about half that — somewhere between 5% and 59%.

Assuming the US or Russia did decide to target the others’ cities, I expect it’s most likely that their countervalue strikes would be limited to 1-20 nuclear detonations (see my previous post for details). That said, I also put some weight on the probability that countervalue targeting would escalate. If this did happen, I expect it would escalate to full-scale countervalue targeting, to the point of using hundreds of nuclear weapons to target US cities and industry, rather than stay moderate in scale. Below, I express my views on the probability of limited, moderate, and full-scale nuclear war quantitatively.

I then aggregate these three scenarios into a single nuclear exchange scenario, which reflects the number of nuclear weapons I’d expect to be detonated in a countervalue attack against the US in expectation (so taking into account the probability that an exchange stays limited, escalates a moderate amount, or escalates to a full-scale nuclear war).

(See notes on the 95% CI for number of weapons used by the US[2] and Russia[3]. Also note that I do this aggregation by having Guesstimate sample the number of nuclear weapons likely to be used from the three escalation scenarios (limited, moderate, and full-scale) in proportion to the range of probabilities of each scenario.)

There’s a fair amount of academic literature on the relationship between the number and size of the bombs detonated in specific countries and the smoke generated by those detonations based on the amount of flammable material in key cities in those countries. I can use this literature to estimate the amount of smoke that is likely to be produced by the counterforce and countervalue targeting I expect to see during a US-Russia nuclear exchange.

The amount of smoke generated by nuclear detonations

In the 80s and 90s, climate scientists Alan Robock, Brian Toon, Richard Turco, J.B. Pollack, and Carl Sagan modelled the amount of smoke and resulting climate effects that would be caused by the type of nuclear exchange that was feared during the Cold War: a full-scale nuclear war with extensive countervalue targeting using the enormous, high-yield nuclear arsenals of the 80s (see for example Turco, 1983). They found that this type of full-scale nuclear exchange between the US and Russia would generate hundreds of megatons of smoke — enough to cause substantial worldwide climate effects.

These nuclear war scenarios are no longer plausible, as the US and Russian nuclear arsenals are much smaller, lower-yield, and more likely to be used for counterforce targeting rather than countervalue targeting. As a result, the early nuclear winter papers don’t tell us much about how bad the nuclear famine that be if the US and Russia were to have a nuclear exchange today.

More recently though, Toon et al. (2007) published an updated paper estimating the amount of smoke that would be produced by 50 low-yield bombs detonated in major cities in thirteen key countries. Their research showed that, under certain assumptions (discussed in "Appendix B"), the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange of a given size can be represented reasonably well by simple algebraic functions.

Source: Figure 12 from Toon et al. (2007)

While the authors didn’t publish the data used to generate these functions, I was able to reconstruct the figure above, which allowed me to estimate the country-specific functions on my own (again, see "Appendix B" for details). After adapting the US- and Russia-specific functions to account for the fact that the bombs detonated during a US-Russia exchange wouldn’t necessarily be as small as the ones modeled by Toon et al. (2007), I find that the amount of smoke expected to result from a countervalue attack using x nuclear weapons against the United States can be represented by the following function:

Similarly, the amount of smoke expected to result from a countervalue attack of a given size in Russia can be represented by the following function:

The amount of smoke generated by countervalue targeting

If I make two assumptions about US and Russian countervalue targeting, I can use these functions to estimate the amount of smoke that would be produced by the countervalue targeting scenarios discussed earlier.

First, I have to be able to assume that targets would be prioritized on the basis of population size — as this was a key assumption in Toon et al.’s (2007) work. This assumption seems reasonable to me. If the US or Russia decided to target each other’s population centers, I expect they would be trying to maximize fatalities by targeting the most densely populated cities. The exception to this would be if the US or Russia were selecting countervalue targets on the basis of causing economic harm. If this were the case, using the equations I derived from Toon et al. (2007) would overestimate the amount of smoke produced as industry cities aren’t necessarily the most populated cities in either the US or Russia.

I also have to be able to assume that only one nuclear bomb would be dropped on each city targeted. This would not necessarily be the case. But because the first nuclear detonation produces more smoke that subsequent nuclear detonations in the same city, I don’t think the assumption is completely unreasonable. Nonetheless, the assumption will likely bias my estimate downward a moderate amount.

Given that the assumptions are at least tolerable, I go ahead and plug in the probability distribution of the number of nuclear weapons I expect to be used in a countervalue exchange between the US and Russia. I find that about 30 Tg of smoke would be generated by the expected countervalue attack against Russia in the event that the US pursued countervalue targeting (90% confidence interval: 1.3 – 100 Tg of smoke). I also find that about 15 Tg of smoke would be produced by the expected countervalue attack against the US, assuming Russia decides to execute countervalue targeting against the US at all (90% confidence interval: 1.4 — 49 Tg of smoke).

However, as I’ve discussed previously, if the US and Russia did decide to target each others’ cities, they would probably choose to drop more than one nuclear bomb on big cities and/or economically important cities to maximize casualties and economic disruption. I roughly estimated the number of nuclear weapons that would be dropped on the four largest US cities and five largest Russian cities. Using the formulas above, I can then calculate the amount of additional smoke that would be caused by the detonation of multiple bombs on particularly big cities. When I did this, I found that multiple detonations on large cities in Russia would lead to an additional ~20 Tg of smoke, and detonations on large cities in the US would probably lead to an additional ~5 Tg of smoke.

When I add this to the estimates above, I find that countervalue targeting in Russia would produce about 49 Tg of smoke (90% confidence interval: 21 Tg – 120 Tg of smoke). Similarly, I find that countervalue targeting against the US would generate about 20 Tg of smoke (90% confidence interval: 6.1 Tg – 53 Tg of smoke).

I then multiply the amount of smoke generated by countervalue targeting against Russia by the probability that the US actually executes countervalue targeting against Russia. This tells me the amount of smoke that would be produced, in expectation. I find that between 0.98 Tg and 20 Tg of smoke would be generated as a result of US countervalue targeting against Russia (6.8 Tg in expectation).

Similarly, when I account for the probability that Russia engages in countervalue targeting, I find that Russian countervalue targeting would produce between 0.83 Tg and 32 Tg of smoke (8.2 additional Tg in expectation).

When I add together the smoke generated by US and Russian countervalue targeting, I find that between 5.1 and 58 Tg of smoke would be generated by countervalue targeting by the US and Russia in expectation:

The amount of smoke generated by counterforce targeting

Estimating the amount of smoke generated by counterforce targeting is more difficult. There’s also been far less research on counterforce nuclear exchanges; there are only a few papers that speak directly to the amount of smoke that would be generated by counterforce targeting. And the research that has been done has modeled the impacts of counterforce strikes that would be implausible today — much larger than what the US and Russia would actually be able to execute (Turco, 1983; Crutzen & Birks, 1982; Crutzen et al., 1984; Small & Bush, 1985).

Further, most estimates of the amount of smoke that would be produced by a counterforce exchange suffer from methodological problems that likely led to gross overestimates. In particular, the models assume that the areas surrounding (most) counterforce targets would have much more fuel loading — the amount of flammable material (fuel) per unit area — than they actually do (Turco, 1983; Crutzen & Birks, 1982; Crutzen et al., 1984).

Given this, I decided to manipulate the data functions I derived using Toon et al.’s (2007) work to estimate the smoke that would be generated by counterforce targeting while accounting for two factors:

  1. As I discussed above, the amount of smoke that would be produced by the burning of the wildlands that surround counterforce targets (like missile silos and military bases) would be just a fraction of the amount that would be produced by city fires.

  2. Assuming that countervalue targeting prioritizes cities in order of population density, the amount of smoke produced by countervalue targeting decreases sublinearly as the number of bombs detonated increases. In contrast, the smoke generated by counterforce targeting would increase linearly. Unlike in countervalue targeting, there’s no reason that the 10th counterforce target would produce a different amount of smoke than the 100th counterforce target.

To do this, I first estimate the total amount of smoke that would be generated by fires in the US and Russia assuming a linear relationship between the number of detonations and smoke produced. I then multiply those estimates by the factor by which the areas surrounding counterforce targets have smaller fuel loadings than cities do. I estimate that factor by dividing the fuel loading of the wildlands (0.03 g/cm2 – 0.55 g/cm2) around counterforce targets by the fuel loadings of cities in the US and Russia (18 g/cm2 and 12 g/cm2, respectively) (See "Appendix C" for details).

When I plug in the number of targets the US and Russia would each target during a counterforce first strike and then adjust for the factor by which wildland fires wouldn’t produce as much smoke as city fires would, I find that counterforce targeting by the US against Russia would produce between 0.11 Tg and 2.5 Tg of smoke and counterforce targeting by Russia against the US would produce between 0.31 Tg and 6.1 Tg of smoke.

There is an important exception to the general rule that counterforce targets tend to be in more remote areas. It’s fairly likely that a key component to a US or Russian counterforce strike would be to hinder the others’ leadership command, control, and communications systems (LC3) — in other words, the people and systems responsible for authorizing and carrying out nuclear attacks. To do this successfully, both countries would likely target each others’ capitals. Because Moscow and Washington DC are relatively dense cities, the nuclear detonations would generate a fair amount of smoke — more than other counterforce targets and more than I’m accounting for in the smoke estimation above.

To better account for this, I separately estimate the smoke generated by multiple nuclear detonations in both Washington DC and Moscow. I do this by using equations I derived from Toon et al. (2007), which can be used to estimate the amount of smoke generated by the nth target hit in a nuclear attack on US and Russian cities (see "Appendix C" for details). Because I assume that cities will be targeted in order of population size, I can plug in the population size ranking for n to estimate the amount of smoke generated by a detonation on each city. I find that, if both the US and Russia both definitely targeted each others’ capital cities, between 2.3 Tg and 5.4 Tg of smoke would be generated.

I then multiply this by the probability that the US and Russia would target each others’ capital cities, which gives me the expected amount of smoke generated by attacks on both Moscow and Washington DC. I put this probability somewhere between 50% and 100%, because I think they’re more like to target each others’ capitals than not, but have some uncertainty about exactly how likely it is that they do so. I find that a counterforce attack on Moscow and Washington DC would generate between 1.5 Tg and 4 Tg of smoke (2.6 Tg in expectation).

Similarly, there are a number of military targets that are within or close enough to populated cities that detonations on those military targets would have substantial effects on surrounding urban areas. Fires in cities near military sites that were targeted during a counterforce strike would be smaller, and thereby produce somewhat less smoke, relative to a nuclear bombs detonated directly over cities. However, there would be enough additional smoke generated that it’s important to account for it in the model.

I accounted for this by looking into the nuclear weapons-related military sites that are in or near cities in the US and Russia with populations greater than 50,000, and then estimating the amount of smoke that would be generated as a result of detonations on those sites. To do this, I again use the equations derived from Toon et al. (2007), which estimate the amount of smoke generated by the nth target (and because I assume cities are prioritized in order of population size, population size ranking can be plugged into the equation for n). When I do this for all of the cities near likely military targets, I estimate that counterforce targeting near cities would cause an additional 3 Tg of smoke to be generated in Russia and an additional 2 Tg of smoke to be generated in the US.

Because it’s unclear how much less smoke will be produced by nuclear detonations on military targets in or near cities, I make the simplifying assumption that the smoke would be the same as that generated by a nuclear detonation directly on that city.

When I add up the smoke generated by counterforce targeting in remote areas plus the counterforce targeting on Washington DC and Moscow and cities near key military targets, I find that counterforce targeting by the US and Russia would generate between 7.1 Tg and 12 Tg of smoke, or 8.8 Tg in expectation.

The total amount of smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange

When I combine the smoke that would be generated by counterforce and countervalue targeting by both the US and Russia, I find that between 13 Tg and 67 Tg of smoke would be emitted into the atmosphere in expectation[4]:

But this range is quite sensitive to conclusions I’ve drawn that well-informed experts seem to disagree on. In particular, whether the US and Russia would target each others’ cities makes a big difference to the amount of smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange. The results are also sensitive to the probability that countervalue targeting would escalate, eventually reaching the point where hundreds of nuclear bombs were dropped on US and Russian cities and industry. To understand how my results change if you hold the view that countervalue targeting or countervalue escalation is inevitable, see Appendix D.

The relationship between the smoke generated and the climate

From there, I can draw from climate simulations done by the same researchers to explore the climate effects of the smoke generated by the nuclear exchange. Importantly, this research is controversial. Critics argue that the parameters fed into the climate models (like, how much smoke would be generated by a given exchange) as well as the assumptions in the climate models themselves (for example, the way clouds would behave) are suspect, and may have been biased by the researchers’ political motivations. I take these criticisms very seriously — and believe we should probably be skeptical of this body of research as a result — but for the purposes of this estimation, I assume that the nuclear winter research comes to the right conclusion.

Toon, Robock, and Turco (2014) estimated the climate effects of four nuclear war scenarios — one where 1 Tg of smoke is generated, another where 5 Tg is generated, a third with 50 Tg, and the final with 150 Tg.

For each of these scenarios, they plotted the effects of the smoke on precipitation, temperature, and the length of growing season in key regions in the United States and Eastern Europe. Note that the effects that Toon et al. (2014) report in this graph reflect the magnitude of the effects that we’d see in the years immediately after the nuclear exchange — the period during which the climate effects would be the worst. So, we should think of these effects as an upper bound on the severity of the climate effects, not the average effects across the 10 years over which the authors predict some level of climate disturbances will persist:

Source: Figure 3a from Toon et al. (2014)

I recreated the figures published in Toon et al. (2014) (see my work here), and estimated functions that roughly fit those curves. The effect of smoke on global precipitation can be approximated using the following equation:

Similarly, the effect of smoke on global temperatures (in degrees Celsius) can be approximated by the equation:

I can then plug in the probability distribution of the amount of smoke expected to be produced during a US-Russia nuclear exchange. This offers a glimpse at the worst climate effects we might expect to see:

In effect, there’s a 90% chance that the actual change in temperature caused by a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia will be between -1.6 degrees Celsius and -4.2 degrees Celsius at its most severe. Similarly, there’s a 90% chance that the actual change in precipitation caused by a US-Russia nuclear exchange would be between -9.2% and -24% during the worst period of climate disturbances.

The effects of the climate change on agriculture

Less work has been done to estimate the severity of the effects of nuclear smoke on food production. Harwell and Harwell (1986) published a pretty extensive review of what we know about the variations in the climate that we expect to result from a nuclear exchange, and how these variations tend to affect different ecosystems — including agricultural systems.

Because climate effects of the magnitude of those caused by large-scale nuclear war are unprecedented — at least in the context of modern society — it’s difficult to create precise models to predict what would happen to modern-day agricultural systems when faced with huge drops in temperature and precipitation. In light of this, Harwell and Harwell (1986) used a bunch of different methods to make broad generalizations about which ecosystems would be affected by various climate fluctuations, and by how much. Specifically, their analysis makes use of historical analogs, statistical analyses, laboratory physiological studies, simulation models, and expert judgment.

Their analyses assumed that the nuclear exchange would cause a decline in temperature of a few degrees [Celsius] over the entire growing season, a decline in sunlight of about 5-20%, and “possible decreases in precipitation.” When looking at the effects on agricultural systems specifically, they focused on grain crops, which make up a majority of the calories in the average diet (globally) and are the easiest crops to store.

They found that most ecosystems would be moderately affected by the climate effects, and that agriculture would be substantially affected, though they only offer qualitative comments on how large those effects would be. A drop in temperature of a few degrees was reported to have “extremely large effects” on agricultural systems, and a drop in precipitation was expected to have “large effects.”

Source: Adapted from Table 3 in Harwell and Harwell (1986)

Analyses reported in Toon et al. (2014) make it possible to roughly quantify some of these effects. The authors modeled the effects of temperature and precipitation on the duration of the average growing season in two key agricultural regions, Iowa and Ukraine, plotted here:

Source: Figure 4 from Toon et al. (2014)

Like above, I was able to extract the data from the figure, plot it, and estimate the functions that reflect the relationship between the amount of smoke produced by a nuclear exchange and the percent change in the growing seasons in both regions (see my work here). Note that the graph looks a bit different below, because I chose not to present the horizontal axis using a logarithmic scale as the original figure does.

The effect of smoke on the length of the growing season in Iowa can be estimated using the function:

And the effect of smoke on the length of the growing season in Ukraine can be estimated using the function:

Using these equations, I can estimate the probability distributions of the percent change in the duration of the growing season in Iowa and Ukraine. My modeling suggests that there’s a 90% chance that the growing season in Iowa will fall by between 21% and 44%, and that the growing season in Ukraine will fall by between 14% and 48%. These estimates are only directly relevant to crop yields in the United States and Eastern Europe, but nonetheless, offer a glimpse of the types of effects we might expect to see.

To help interpret these distributions, I estimated the percent change in the growing season that would prevent the maturation of — and therefore make it impossible to grow — several key crops, given the fact that both regions have average annual growing seasons lasting about 190 days on average (ranging from 160 to 210 days in Des Moines, Iowa, and from 170 to 210 days in Kiev, Ukraine).

Given that it's likely that the growing season would shorten by 28% in Iowa and 25% in Ukraine in expectation, the annual supply of corn, soybeans, spring wheat, and rice will probably fall a fair amount. Additionally, it's plausible, though pretty low-probability (~5%), that growing some of them would become impossible.

Again, these effects are specific to particular regions in the United States and Eastern Europe. Regions closer to the poles would be more likely to lose the ability to cultivate certain crops, and regions closer to the equator would be less likely to be affected.

For example, according to Harwell and Harwell (1986), most agriculture would become impossible in Canada with temperature changes of between 2 and 3 degrees Celsius. Based on my estimation of the temperature effects we might see result from a nuclear exchange, it seems quite likely that Canada (and other countries with similar climates) would face crop failures immediately following a US-Russia exchange. On the other hand, the drop in temperature would have to be between 4 and 6 degrees Celsius to cause crop failures in southern US, and would have to be even larger to cause crop failures in the tropics (Harwell & Harwell, 1986).

Importantly though, even if crops don’t fail completely, fluctuations in temperature, precipitation and sunlight would cause reductions in crop yields. For example, analyses using the historical record and computer simulations revealed that 25% less precipitation was associated with a 25% percent reduction in Australian crop yields (Harwell & Harwell, 1986). The relationship between rainfall and crop yields likely varies enormously in different regions: in some areas, it might be sub-linear, and in others, super-linear. But the Australian example is nevertheless instructive, offering a glimpse at the magnitude of the reductions in agricultural productivity we might see, even with moderate climate impacts.

What is more, all of these effects would be exacerbated by the reduction or elimination of the availability of agricultural technologies like fertilizer and machinery caused by breakdowns in the transportation systems in the US and Russia. The same technologies would also be unavailable for any countries who import them from either the US or Russia. An elimination of technological inputs to agriculture — fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, fuel for tilling and harvesting, machinery — may lead to a decrease in agricultural productivity of up to 50% (Harwell & Harwell, 1986).

Unfortunately, while we can get a general sense of the types of food shortages we might see in the aftermath of a US-Russia nuclear exchange, the exact effects on the global food supply are almost impossible to know for several reasons.

For one, the actual impacts of the climate effects on crop yields would vary a lot by region, which makes estimating those impacts really complicated. And even if we knew exactly how agricultural productivity would be affected, there are a number of things that could be done to mitigate those impacts — measures like shifting from meat-based diets to plant-based ones, and from high-maintenance crops to more robust ones (World Resources Institute, 2016). Those mitigation strategies would probably reduce food shortages to some extent, but it’s really hard to know by how much.

Given these complexities, I estimate the severity of the famine we might expect to see by looking at instances where experts have commented directly on the relationship between the smoke produced by nuclear war and the number of people expected to die during the resulting famine.

The relationship between smoke and famine

To date, there have been only a few studies that have commented on the severity of a nuclear famine based on the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange. Below, I summarize their results, focusing on the studies that use the most modern climate models:

Sources for this table include Robock et al., 2006; Robock et al., 2007; Robock, 2010; Robock, 2011; Xia & Robock, 2012; Helfand 2013; Toon et al, 2014; and Baum, 2015.

Some of the studies I’m relying on have serious limitations. In particular, the links that Helfand (2013) makes between agricultural shortfalls and famine is (understandably) un-rigorous. To justify his claims that a limited nuclear exchange could lead to 873 million – 2 billion deaths, Helfand (2013) points out that 873 million people are already food insecure, and that another 1 billion plus people in China could become food insecure. He then notes that, historically, food shortages have caused sharp increases in food prices — suggesting that the world’s food systems weren’t able to compensate for those shortages. Further, he notes that this relationship is super-linear. The larger the shortage, the bigger the impact on the price of food. So it makes sense that food shortages would price out the world’s most food insecure — people who are already unable to afford enough food, and who would become even more malnourished if food became more expensive.

All that in mind, I think it’s plausible that the 870 million – 2 billion people who are already vulnerable to food insecurity will starve to death, but the relationship between food shortfalls and famine is too complicated to know with any certainty. The world is just really complex. And, as I mentioned, there are a bunch of things we could do to adapt to the altered climate: switch from meat-based diets to plant-based ones and from crops that are more vulnerable to climate variation to crops that are more robust (World Resources Institute, 2016).

Further, with just the couple of data points in that table, I can make educated guesses about the relationship between the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange and the severity of the resulting famine, but those guesses come with a lot of uncertainty.

As a result, all of my modeling from here on out should be taken as extremely speculative.

I hypothesize that the relationship is best represented by a logistic function (s-curve). This is because, at very small amounts of smoke, our food system would likely be able to compensate for a slight cooling of the climate through the implementation of easy and cheap mitigation strategies.

At somewhat higher amounts of smoke — beyond the level we could easily mitigate — I’d expect the number of people that would starve to death as a result of food shortages to increase rapidly, as the billion or so people that already face food insecurity would be extremely vulnerable to disturbances in the food supply (Food and Agriculture Organization, 2018).

At even higher amounts of smoke, I expect the number of people that would starve to death to increase steadily as colder temperatures had proportionately large impacts on crop yields. At some point, the amount of smoke would lead to Ice Age-like conditions, at which point it seems like just about everyone in the world would die (Robock, 2010).

Because the climate impacts would be somewhat less severe in the Southern Hemisphere, and because warm ocean winds would reduce the temperature effects on islands, it’s possible that people living in New Zealand and Australia might survive (80,000 Hours podcast with Dave Denkenberger, 2018).

Based on this reasoning, I generated optimistic, pessimistic, and best guess logistic functions that roughly fit the available data points. Again, because there are so few academic papers that comment on this relationship, my estimation of these functions involved a lot of subjective judgment; the optimistic, pessimistic, and best guess curves correspond to my personal interpretation of the information available on nuclear winter. For more details, see my work here.

I can then plug in the probability distribution of the amount of smoke we might expect to be generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange into each function to estimate an optimistic, pessimistic, and best guess estimate of the number of deaths that might be caused by the resulting nuclear famine. I just report the best guess here, but you can see the optimistic and pessimistic estimates in my Guesstimate model.

Total deaths caused by the nuclear famine that would follow a US-Russia nuclear exchange

By my estimation, a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia would lead to a famine that would kill 5.5 billion people in expectation (90% confidence interval: 2.7 billion to 7.5 billion people).

A famine killing between 2.7 billion and 7.5 billion would be absolutely horrible. Between 36% and 96% of the world population would die an excruciating and prolonged death.

I don’t feel like I have a full grasp of the implications of this yet. On the one hand, I think the finding points us toward being a bit more skeptical of the idea that some effective altruists seem to hold — that a nuclear war between the US and Russia would necessarily lead to a nuclear winter that posed a large risk of extinction. There’s about an 11% chance that 50 Tg of smoke — the threshold at which the literature suggests the resulting nuclear winter would be catastrophic — are released into the atmosphere. On the other hand, 11% is non-trivial, and it’s likely that even a moderate nuclear winter (the result of between 5 and 50 Tg of smoke) would pose some sort of x-risk.

Either way, the effects, some of which I don't yet completely understand, are potentially really, really terrible — possibly worth investing substantial resources to avert from an x-risk perspective, especially if there are particularly tractable ways to do so or if we expect geopolitical conditions around the likelihood of nuclear war and method of nuclear targeting to change over time.

As a final note, I want to flag that a US-Russia nuclear exchange could have other x-risk-related implications not explored in this work. For example, I don’t consider here the risk of famine resulting from nuclear fallout contaminating crops, or the threat posed by a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that could be generated by the detonation of a nuclear bomb at a high altitude (Foster et al., 2008). I hope to do so in future work.

Appendix A: Simplifying assumptions and how they might bias my model

I want to be transparent about the fact that many aspects of my model, especially the probabilities of countervalue targeting and escalation, are very speculative and involved a lot of subjective judgment. Below, I summarize 1) all of the simplifying assumptions I made, 2) the ways they might bias my model, 3) how much those biases might affect my results, and 4) how hard it would have been to replace that assumption with actual data:

(Endnotes from the table: note on nonhuman animals[5], note on prior work[6], note on counterforce + countervalue overlap[7].)

I aggregate these to try to get a crude sense of how my assumptions will bias my estimate on net:

To do this I first assign a value of -1 to an assumption that would lead my model to produce underestimates, +1 to an assumption that would lead to an overestimate, 0 to an assumption with unknown implications. I then multiply each of those directional values by 1, 2, or 3, depending on the magnitude of the bias (i.e. a small bias would be multiplied by 1, a large bias by 3). I can then add the values up to see a rough indication of the direction and magnitude of the bias in my model.

A score of zero would indicate that there are no biases in my model, or equivalently, that all of the biases in my model likely cancel out. Because there are 34 assumptions in my table, a score (in this case) of 102 would indicate that my estimate is likely enormously inflated. In this case, I get a score of 12, which tells me that there’s some risk that my estimate is an overestimate.

It’s worth noting that this aggregation scheme doesn’t take into account the strength of each assumption. Theoretically, the scheme should weight the magnitude of the bias by how likely the assumption is to be wrong. Because I don’t take this into account, I suspect that in this case the extent to which my model systematically overestimates the amount of smoke that would be generated by a US-Russia nuclear war is somewhat overstated.

Appendix B: Estimating the amount of smoke caused by nuclear detonations

Toon et al. (2007) estimated the amount of smoke that would be produced by 50 15-kiloton (kt) bombs detonated in thirteen key countries. The authors found that the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange varies considerably depending on which country the bombs are detonated in — the result of the fact that cities in different countries differ substantially in the amount of flammable material they have (mostly a function of population density):

Source: Figure 12 from Toon et al. (2007)

Their research showed that the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange of a given size can be represented reasonably well by simple algebraic functions.

While the authors didn’t publish the data used to generate these functions, I was able to reconstruct the figure above, which allowed me to estimate the country-specific functions independently (see my work here and here).

But extrapolating from Toon et al. (2007) relies on three assumptions:

First, I have to be able to assume that targets would be prioritized on the basis of population size — as this was a key assumption in Toon et al.’s (2007) work. This assumption seems reasonable to me. If the US or Russia decided to target each other’s population centers, I expect they would be trying to maximize fatalities by targeting the most densely populated cities. The exception to this would be if the US or Russia were selecting countervalue targets on the basis of causing economic harm. If this were the case, using the equations I derived from Toon et al. (2007) would overestimate the amount of smoke produced as industry cities aren’t necessarily the most populated cities in either the US or Russia.

I also have to be able to assume that only one nuclear bomb would be dropped on each city targeted. This would not necessarily be the case, and assuming so biases my estimate downward a moderate amount. (Note: I’m currently in the process of revising my model to account for the fact that it is likely that more than one bomb would be detonated in many cities during a countervalue strike).

Finally, I’d have to assume that the bombs detonated during US and Russian countervalue targeting would have an explosive yield of 15 kilotons. Rather, as discussed in my previous post, we should actually expect them to be a fair bit bigger. The median bomb in the nuclear arsenals of the United States and Russia are probably around 300 kt and 500 kt, respectively (Kristensen & Norris, 2018; Kristensen & Korda, 2019).

To account for this, I adapted the functions to account for the fact that the bombs detonated during a US-Russia exchange wouldn’t necessarily be 15 kt bombs. I did this by multiplying the estimates generated by the Toon et al. (2007) functions by a factor that accounts for how a 300 kt or 500 kt bomb would generate more smoke than a 15 kt bomb.

Because both the relationships between (a) bomb size and fatalities and (b) bomb size and smoke generated are both functions of population density, I can use the same scaling factor estimated in my previous post on the number of deaths we’d expect to be caused directly by nuclear detonations[8]. According to that estimation, there would be 6.4 times as many US fatalities if Russia were to detonate a 500 kt bomb in a population center instead of a 15 kt bomb. Similarly, a 300 kt bomb would kill about 5.5x as many Russians as a 15 kt bomb.

When I transform the functions, and then extrapolate to larger exchanges, I get the following functions:

I transform the functions one more time so that I can estimate the total amount of smoke generated by n targets (i.e., cumulative smoke), rather than the amount of marginal smoke generated by just the nth target. When I do this, I find that the amount of smoke expected to result from a nuclear attack of a given size in the United States can be represented by the following function:

Similarly, the amount of smoke expected to result from a nuclear attack of a given size in Russia can be represented by the following function:

Appendix C: Estimating the amount of smoke caused by counterforce targeting

To estimate the smoke that would be generated by counterforce targeting, I manipulate the data functions I derived using Toon et al.’s (2007) work to accounting for two factors that make Toon et al. not directly applicable to counterforce targeting:

  1. As I discussed above, the amount of smoke that would be produced by the burning of the wildlands that surround counterforce targets (like missile silos and military bases) would be just a fraction of the amount that would be produced by city fires.

  2. Assuming that countervalue targeting prioritizes cities in order of population density, the amount of smoke produced by countervalue targeting decreases sublinearly as the number of bombs detonated increases. In contrast, the smoke generated by counterforce targeting would increase linearly. Unlike in countervalue targeting, there’s no reason that the 10th counterforce target would produce a different amount of smoke than the 100th counterforce target.

To do this, I first estimate the total amount of smoke that would be generated by fires in the US and Russia assuming a linear relationship between the number of detonations and smoke produced (see my work here):

I find that the smoke generated by x nuclear detonations in US and Russian cities can be approximated by the linear functions:

I then add a term to these equations to account for the factor by which the areas surrounding counterforce targets have smaller fuel loadings — again, this is the amount of flammable material (fuel) per unit area — than cities do. I estimate that factor by dividing the fuel loading of the wildlands around counterforce targets by the fuel loadings of cities in the US and Russia.

To understand the fuel loadings of cities in the US and Russia, I draw from the work of Toon et al.(2007). Toon and his colleagues assumed that, in cities, there is a direct relationship between the amount of fuel in a given city area and the city’s population density.[9] To understand that relationship, Toon et al. (2007) reviewed the literature on the known fuel loadings of other cities, including San Jose, Hamburg, and a few other cities in the US.

Source: Figure 9 from Toon et al. (2007)

Toon et al. (2007) found that population density did seem to predict the fuel loading found in past research reasonably well — albeit not perfectly. The authors then used this method to predict the fuel loadings in the 50 most densely populated cities in thirteen key countries, including the US and Russia:[10]

Source: Adapted from Table 13 from Toon et al. (2007)

I then draw on the work of Small and Bush (1985), who I believe have done the best work on the smoke generated by counterforce scenarios. Small and Bush report the fuel loadings of wildlands surrounding counterforce targets in both the US and Russia. They begin by identifying plausible counterforce targets in the US and Russia, and then categorized surrounding areas by ecosystem type. They then used data published by the US Forest Service National Fire Danger Rating System (NFDRS) to understand the fuel loadings in each of the ecosystem types.

Source: Adapted from Table 1 from Small and Bush (1985)

I then take the average of these fuel loadings — which each fuel loading weighted bv the percentage of counterforce targets that are surrounded by a particular ecosystem — to get the range of possible fuel loadings for areas surrounding the counterforce targets overall: 0.03–0.17 g/cm2.

Small and Bush (1985) point out that previous estimates of the amount of smoke generated during counterforce targeting use much higher fuel loadings — erroneously, they argue. Citing models well-regarded models for predicting fire behavior in wildlands, Small and Bush (1985) claim that “...the loading factors used by Crutzen and Birks and by Turco et al…are more appropriate for logged forests with extensive ground litter (‘slash’) than for naturally occurring vegetation. Such values greatly overestimate the amount of fuel that can be burned in a nuclear exchange” (p. 469).

I’m inclined to agree with Small and Bush (1985), but I’m pretty uncertain. I therefore use a range of possible fuel loadings in my model. The 5th percentile value comes from the lower bound on the weighted average I estimated using the data reported by Small and Bush: 0.03 g/cm3. The 95th percentile comes from the upper bound of the highest fuel loading value assumed by author researchers: 0.55 g/cm2 (bolded in the table above).

Because I put more weight on the fuel loadings reported by Small and Bush (1985), I assume the distribution of fuel loadings is lognormally distributed. The resulting probability distribution looks like this:

Finally, I estimate that factor by which wildland around counterforce targets fuel loadings are smaller than fuel loadings in US and Russian cities by dividing the fuel loading of wildlands that surround counterforce targets (0.03 g/cm2– 0.55 g/cm2) by the fuel loadings of cities in the US and Russia (18 g/cm2 and 12 g/cm2, respectively). I call this the Counterforce Fuel Loading Factor (CFL).

I find that fires in wildlands around counterforce targets would only produce around 1.1% of the smoke that would be generated by fires in Russian cities (CFL of 0.011 on average).

Similarly, I find that fires in wildlands would produce about 1.6% of the smoke that would be generated by fires in US cities (CFL of 0.016 on average).

I can add these terms to my equations, which can then be used to estimate the amount of smoke produced by counterforce targeting against the US and Russia.

When I plug in the number of targets the US and Russia would each target during a counterforce first strike, I find that counterforce targeting by the US against Russia would produce between 0.11 Tg and 2.5 Tg of smoke and counterforce targeting by Russia against the US would produce between 0.31 Tg and 6.1 Tg of smoke. In total, I expect counterforce targeting between the US and Russia would produce around 2.4 Tg of smoke:

But there is an important exception to the general rule that counterforce targets tend to be in more remote areas. It’s fairly likely that a key component to a US or Russian counterforce strike would be to hinder the others’ leadership command, control, and communications systems (LC3) — in other words, the people and systems responsible for authorizing and carrying out nuclear attacks. To do this successfully, both countries would likely target each others’ capitals. Because Moscow and Washington DC are relatively dense cities, the nuclear detonations would generate a fair amount of smoke — more than other counterforce targets and more than I’m accounting for in the smoke estimation above.

To better account for this, I estimate the smoke generated by multiple nuclear detonations in both Washington DC and Moscow. I do this by again using the equations I derived from Toon et al. (2007), that I used to estimate the amount of smoke generated based on the scale of the attack on cities.

Unlike above, where I used functions that reflect the relationship between the total number of nuclear detonations and smoke, the following transformations of those formulas represent the relationship between the target number — which is based on the assumption that cities would be prioritized on the basis of population density — and smoke:

Because the target number is assumed to be based on population density, I can use demographic data about Russian and US cities to understand which target number Moscow and Washington DC would be. Washington DC is the US’s 17th highest population density, and Moscow is the biggest city in Russia, and presumably the densest. I can therefore plug in 17 and 1 into the respective countries above to understand how much smoke would be generated by counterforce targeting against Russia. When I do this, I find that each 500 kt nuclear detonation on DC and each 300 kt nuclear detonation on Moscow generate about 0.11 Tg and 0.455 Tg of smoke, respectively.

I expect that the US and Russia would both detonate multiple nuclear weapons on each others’ capitals to increase the likelihood of decapitating the others’ LC3. To account for this, I multiply the amount of smoke generated by one nuclear detonation in each city by total number of bombs I expect to be detonated — I would guess somewhere between 3 and 10 each.[11] I find that, if both the US and Russia both targeted each others’ capital cities, between 2.3 Tg and 5.4 Tg of smoke would be generated.

I then multiply this by the probability that the US and Russia would target each others’ capital cities, which gives me the expected amount of smoke generated by attacks on both Moscow and Washington DC. I put this probability somewhere between 50% and 100%, because I think they’re more like to target each others’ capitals than not, but have some uncertainty about exactly how likely it is than they do so. I find that a counterforce attack on Moscow and Washington DC would generate between 1.5 Tg and 4 Tg of smoke (2.6 Tg in expectation).

When I add up the smoke generated by counterforce targeting in remote areas plus the counterforce targeting on Washington DC and Moscow, I find that counterforce targeting by the US and Russia would generate between 2.2 Tg and 7.3 Tg of smoke, or 3.9 Tg in expectation.

Appendix D: If you believe countervalue targeting is inevitable

As discussed above, the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear war between the US and Russia is quite sensitive to parameters that well-informed experts reasonably disagree on. In particular, whether the US and Russia would target each others’ cities makes a big difference to the amount of smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange. The results are also sensitive to the probability that countervalue targeting would escalate, eventually reaching the point where hundreds of nuclear bombs were dropped on US and Russian cities and industry.

Below, I explore two alternative scenarios that illustrate how my results would change if you held relatively extreme views about the likelihood of countervalue targeting and the likelihood that countervalue targeting would escalate.

In scenario 1, I assume that neither the US or Russia would use any counterforce targeting — instead focusing exclusively on a countervalue targeting strategy. I assume that the probability of countervalue escalation is the same as in my base case model.

This scenario would generate 79 Tg of smoke in expectation, increasing the chances of a nuclear winter severe enough to likely cause human extinction to about 77% (conditional on there being a US-Russia nuclear war in the first place).

In Scenario 2, I assume that — in addition to exclusively relying on countervalue targeting — the countervalue nuclear exchange would be less likely to stay limited or escalate a moderate amount, and much more likely to instead escalate to a full scale countervalue nuclear war.

(See endnotes in table on distributions[12].)

I find that Scenario 2 would generate much more smoke than either Scenario 1 or the base case — about 94 Tg in expectation. At that amount of smoke, Scenario 2 would be quite likely (~85%) to cause a nuclear winter severe enough as to pose an extinction threat. For those who hold the view that countervalue targeting is both inevitable and very likely to escalate, this finding supports the conclusion that a US-Russia nuclear war poses an extinction risk.

Edits and Corrections

December 19, 2019 — I found a typo in a formula in my Guesstimate model which caused the node calculating the amount of smoke that would be generated as a result of full-scale countervalue targeting against the US to refer to an incorrect node. Originally written “0.664*(NON^0.63),” the formula referred to the number of nuclear weapons likely to be used in counterforce targeting against Russia, rather than the number of nuclear weapons likely to be used in a full-scale counterforce strike against the US, which would have read “0.664*(NON7^0.63).” When I corrected this, the amount of smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange went down from 20 Tg to 16 Tg.

December 19, 2019 — I found typos in the formulas in my Guesstimate models that I use to estimate the change in temperature and precipitation that would be caused by a given amount of smoke. Rather than enter the correct formulas — “-0.276TSG1-5.55” and “-0.0485TSG1-0.938” — I entered “-0.085TSG1-0.938” and “-0.276TSG1-0.938.” When I corrected this, the change in temperature went from down from -2.3 degrees Celsius to -1.7 degrees Celsius, and the percent change in precipitation went up from -5.4% to -10%. November XX, 2019 — Kit pointed out that the way I originally accounted for the fact that a US-Russia nuclear exchange could stay limited, escalate a moderate amount, or escalate to a large-scale nuclear war causes my probability distributions representing the amount of smoke produced during each scenario to be artificially narrow. This happened because I estimated the expected number of nuclear warheads that would be used in the three nuclear exchange scenarios rather than sampling the number of warheads used in the various scenarios in proportion to the probability that a given escalation scenario would occur (see Kit's comment for more details). More concretely, I approximated the size of the nuclear exchange in expectation by taking the sumproducts of the number of warheads used in each scenario and probability that each scenario would occur. This approach was problematic in that the “expected” nuclear exchange scenario never took on the values at the upper extreme of the large-scale exchange scenario (i.e. cases in which many hundreds of nuclear warheads are used). And because the relationship between the number of warheads detonated and the amount of smoke ejected into the atmosphere is nonlinear, the truncation of the extreme values in the right tail gets further exacerbated when I estimate the amount of smoke generated by the “expected” nuclear exchange. Ozzie Gooen helped me find a workaround for this in Guesstimate. As a result of the change, my estimate of the amount of smoke we’d expect to be generated went up to 16 Tg to 18 Tg of smoke. Additionally, the upper and lower bounds on the confidence interval also got bigger, as well as slightly wider (indicating higher uncertainty than the original model did).

December 19, 2019 — My original model assumed that all cities targeted during countervalue targeted would be hit with a single nuclear bomb (of the median size in the US/Russian arsenal). This assumption led me to underestimate the amount of smoke that would be generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange. I now assume that the US and Russia would drop additional nuclear bombs on large cities, insofar as additional bombs would meaningfully increase the death toll. When I made this change, the amount of smoke expected to be generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange increased from 18 Tg to 25 Tg of smoke.

December 19, 2019 — My original model assumed that all counterforce targets — aside from leadership command, control, and communications systems (LC3) in Washington DC and Moscow — would be in rural areas. In reality, some counterforce targets, like air and naval bases, would be in or near populated cities, where the amount of smoke generated by nuclear detonations would be orders of magnitude greater than that generated by detonations in rural areas. Failing to account for this caused me to underestimate the amount of smoke that would be lofted into the atmosphere in a counterforce targeting scenario. When I revised my model to account for the fact that a number of large cities would likely be affected by nuclear detonations in urban counterforce targets, the amount of smoke I expect would be generated by a US-Russia nuclear war in expectation went up from 25 Tg of smoke to 30 Tg of smoke.

Credits

This essay is a project of Rethink Priorities. It was written by Luisa Rodriguez. Thanks to Peter Hurford, Marinella Capriati, Ida Sprengers, Marcus A. Davis, and Neil Dullaghan for their valuable comments. Thanks also to Matt Gentzel, Carl Schulman, and Seth Baum for providing guidance and feedback on the larger project.

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  1. As I’ve argued previously, if the US or Russia detected an imminent first strike — especially one large enough to take out a significant portion of their arsenal — they would almost certainly decide to retaliate in kind before their arsenal was destroyed (this incentive is called “Use it or Lose it”). To do this, each country would have to decide, in a very short amount of time, to “launch on warning,” (LOW) (as opposed to “launch under attack,” which basically just means waiting until the bombs starts hitting before you retaliate). Given just a short amount of time, the country under attack wouldn’t have much time to tailor its second strike based on factors like which ICBM silos are now probably empty. Given this, I expect that their second strike would probably look reasonably similar to a first strike. What is more, to ensure the ‘survivability’ of their nuclear forces, both the US and Russia have divided their nuclear capabilities across three forms of deployment: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), sea-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), and air-based strategic bombers. This is known as the nuclear triad. The different deployment types make it possible to conceal and move nuclear weapons around, making them harder to detect and destroy, which in turn makes them more likely to survive a counterforce strike. I looked into the survivability of the US and Russian nuclear arsenals and found that as somewhere between ~990 and ~1,500 of the US’s nuclear warheads and ~450 and ~1,420 of Russia’s nuclear warheads could plausibly survive a counterforce first strike. This makes me think that the US would have enough surviving warheads to execute a second strike that would look similar to a first strike even in the case that Russia did destroy the US’s vulnerable nuclear forces. Because Russia’s nuclear arsenal is a bit more vulnerable, its second strike might be around the same size as its first strike, or it might be smaller — perhaps half the size of its first size. This means that simple addition might lead me to overestimate the number of deaths caused by counterforce targeting, though I suspect it wouldn’t be by much. This is because whether a counterforce second strike by Russia would actually cause fewer deaths than a first strike is conditional on 1) the US striking first, 2) Russia choosing not to launch on warning, and 3) Russia being substantially under-prepared for a first strike. My best guess is that the probability of all three of these being the case is fairly low. If we naively assume that the probability that the US strikes first is 50%, the probability that Russia chooses not to launch on warning is also 50%, and that the US counterforce strike destroyed the ‘center value’ of the range for the number of nuclear weapons that might be destroyed (870), or 79% of the number of warheads I expect Russia would use against the US during a counterforce _first _strike (1,100), I would expect that a second strike would only use about 5% fewer nuclear weapons than Russian first strike (0.50.50.21). See my post on the survivability of the US and Russian nuclear arsenals for more details. ↩︎

  2. To generate the parameters of the lognormal distribution I think best fits the number of nuclear weapons that might be used in a full-scale countervalue attack (/series of attacks) on Russia, I enter what I believe to be the median value, the lower bound, the upper bound, the 0.05th percentile, and the the 0.95th percentile. With help from <a href="https://jeremy-oakley.shinyapps.io/SHELF-single/">SHELF</a>, I generated the lognormal distribution, lognormal(6.31,0.524), which approximates the values I’ve entered. ↩︎

  3. To generate the parameters of the lognormal distribution I think best fits the number of nuclear weapons that might be used in a full-scale countervalue attack (/series of attacks) on the US, I enter what I believe to be the median value, the lower bound, the upper bound, the 0.05th percentile, and the the 0.95th percentile. With help from <a href="https://jeremy-oakley.shinyapps.io/SHELF-single/">SHELF</a>, I generated the lognormal distribution, lognormal(6.1,0.567), which approximates the values I’ve entered. ↩︎

  4. There are a few problems with adding the number of deaths caused by counterforce and countervalue targeting together. First, as discussed earlier, Russia’s second strike may not involve as many nuclear weapons as its first strike, as its nuclear arsenal is somewhat vulnerable. This means adding together the smoke generated by a US and Russian counterforce strike modeled on what I expect a first strike would look like may overestimate the amount of smoke produced. That said, Russia would have at least 450 or so nuclear warheads left. Assuming that cities are prioritized in order of population density, the marginal amounts of smoke produced by nuclear detonations in the 450th city and beyond is basically negligible. I therefore don’t expect this to have much bearing on my results. A second problem comes from the fact that the counterforce and countervalue scenarios were considered independently — they're not comprehensive or mutually exclusive. This means that, the probability of all the scenarios in here might be more or less than 1. It also means that the number of nuclear weapons used in both counterforce and countervalue targeting might sometimes be greater than the number of nuclear weapons currently deployed by the US and Russia. Because the probability of countervalue targeting is pretty low, I don’t expect this to be the case. ↩︎

  5. I consider the effect on wild and domestic animals ambiguous. This is because I’m not sure if most sentient animals are living net positive or net negative lives, so I’m not sure whether it’s a good or a bad thing for them to die en masse. ↩︎

  6. My my post on the number of deaths we’d expect to be caused directly by nuclear detonations can be found here. ↩︎

  7. Because I’ve considered counterforce and countervalue targeting relatively independently, it may be the case that the number of nuclear weapons used in counterforce and countervalue targeting would sometimes be greater than the number of nuclear weapons currently deployed by the US and Russia. ↩︎

  8. “Surveys of a few large US cities and the centers of cities such as Hamburg, Germany, after World War II, along with the known quantity of flammable material stored in the world, suggest that the amount of fuel per unit area in the urban developed world, Mf, is a linear function of the population density.” (Toon, Robock & Turco, 2014, p. 67). ↩︎

  9. To estimate fuel loadings for the present work, we make a basic assumption that within urban zones there is a direct relationship between the quantity of fuel available and the local population density. Contributing to the fuel load would be dwellings, offices, industries and infrastructure such as schools, transport and fuel depots, shopping malls, and so on. Given the relationship between fuel loading and population density we can use population density data as a surrogate for fuel loading data (Toon et al., 2007, 1989) ↩︎

  10. Because the fuel loadings estimated by Toon et al. (2007) reflect the average fuel loadings of the 50 most densely populated cities, using Toon et al.’s fuel loading figures will lead me to overestimate the amount of smoke generated by countervalue targeting scenarios involving more than 50 targets. ↩︎

  11. To generate the parameters of the lognormal distribution I think best fits the number of in a counterforce attack on Moscow and Washington DC, I enter what I believe to be the median value, the lower bound, the upper bound, the 0.05th percentile, and the the 0.95th percentile. With help from SHELF, I generated the lognormal distribution, lognormal(1.62,0.343), which approximates the values I’ve entered. ↩︎

  12. This parameter is represented by the beta distribution, beta(3.2,1.09). Because I increased the probability of full-scale countervalue targeting, I had to also decrease the probability of limited and moderate countervalue targeting. I decreased the probabilities of each in proportion to their initial values. After doing so, the probability of limited countervalue targeting became 0.2 (90% confidence interval: 0.02 – 0.53), represented by the beta distribution, beta(1.2,4.73). The probability of moderate countervalue targeting became 0.05 (90% confidence interval: 0.0 –0.28), represented by the beta distribution, beta(0.343,6.49). ↩︎

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This was the single most valuable piece on the Forum to me personally. It provides the only end-to-end model of risks from nuclear winter that I've seen and gave me an understanding of key mechanisms of risks from nuclear weapons. I endorse it as the best starting point I know of for thinking seriously about such mechanisms. I wrote what impressed me most here and my main criticism of the original model here (taken into account in the current version).

This piece is part of a series. I found most articles in the series highly informative, but this particular piece did the most excellent job of improving my understanding of risks from nuclear weapons.

 

Details that I didn’t cover elsewhere, based on recommended topics for reviewers:

How did this post affect you, your thinking, and your actions?

  • It was a key part of what caused me to believe that civilisation collapsing everywhere solely due to nuclear weapons is extremely unlikely without a large increase in the number of such weapons. (The model in the post is consistent with meaningful existential risk from nuclear weapons in other ways.)
  • This has various implications for prioritisation between existential risks and prioritisation within the nuclear weapons space.

Does it make accurate claims? Does it carve reality at the joints? How do you know?

  • I spent about 2 days going through the 5 posts the author published around that time, comparing them to much rougher models I had made and looking into various details. I was very impressed.
  • The work that went into the post did the heavy lifting and pointed a way to a better understanding of nuclear risk. The model in the original version of the post was exceptionally concrete and with a low error rate, such that reviewers were able to engage with it to identify the key errors in the original version of the post.
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I have one material issue with the model structure, which I think may reverse your bottom line. The scenario full-scale countervalue attack against Russia has a median smoke estimate of 60Tg and a scenario probability of 0.27 x 0.36 = ~0.1. This means the probability of total smoke exceeding 60Tg has to be >5%, but Total smoke generated by a US-Russia nuclear exchange calculates a probability of only 0.35% for >60Tg smoke.

What seems to be going on is that the model incorporates estimated smoke from each countervalue targeting scenario as {scenario probability x scenario amount of smoke} in all Monte Carlo samples, when I figure you actually want it to count {scenario amount of smoke} in the appropriate proportion of samples. This would give a much more skewed distribution.

Sampling properly (as I see it) seems to be a bit fiddly in Guesstimate, but I put something together for Smoke that would be generated as a result of countervalue targeting against the US in an 'Alternative 3.4.4' section here. (I figured making a copy would be the easiest way to communicate the idea.)

I also redirected the top-level smoke calculation to point to the above alternate calculation to see what difference it makes. (Things I've added are marked with [KH] in the copy to make the differences easy to spot.) Basically every distribution now has two humps: either there is a countervalue strike and everything has a high chance of collapsing, or there isn't and things are awful but probably recoverable. Some notable conclusions that change:

  • ~15% chance of getting into the 50Tg+ scenarios that you flag as particularly concerning, up from ~1%.
  • ~13% chance that corn cultivation becomes impossible in Iowa, and 6% chance that Ukraine cannot grow any of the crops you focus on, both from <1%. I don't know whether still being able to grow some amount of barley helps much.
  • Your bottom-line ~5% chance of 96% population collapse jumps to ~16%, with most of that on >99% collapse. On the bright side, expected deaths drop by ~1bn.

Obviously, all these numbers are hugely unstable. I list them only to illustrate the difference made by sampling in this way, not to suggest that the actual numbers should be taken super seriously.

As above, these changes are just from adjusting the sampling for Smoke that would be generated as a result of countervalue targeting against the US. Doing the same adjustment for Smoke that would be generated as a result of countervalue targeting against Russia would add additional risk of extreme nuclear winter. For example, I think your model would imply a few % chance of all the crops you focus on becoming impossible to grow in both Iowa and Ukraine.

Before exploring your work, I hadn't understood just how heavily extinction risk may be driven by the probability of a full-scale countervalue strike occurring. This certainly makes me wonder whether there's anything one can do to specifically reduce the risk of such strikes without too significantly increasing the overall risk of an exchange. In general, working through your model and associated text and sources has been super useful to my understanding.

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There are a whole bunch of things I love about this work. Among other things:

  • An end-to-end model of nuclear winter risk! I'm really excited about this.
  • The quantitative discussions of many details and how they interact are very insightful. e.g. ones which were novel for me included how exactly smoke causes agriculture loss, and roughly where the critical thresholds for agricultural collapse might be. The concrete estimates for the difference in smoke production between counterforce and countervalue, which I knew the sign of but not the magnitude, are fascinating and make this much clearer.
  • I really appreciate the efforts to make the (huge) uncertainty transparent, notably the list of simplifying assumptions, and running specific scenarios for heavy countervalue targeting. Most of all, though, the Guesstimate model is remarkably legible, which makes absorbing all this info so much easier.

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The whole "Nuclear Winter" field of modeling was born in sin and hence must be suspect.

As far as I kno​​w the original models and simulations and the whole concept was promoted by Carl Sagan et el. ( TTAPS team i.e.  Richard P. Turco, Owen Toon, Thomas P. Ackerman, James B. Pollack and Carl Sagan) from what seems to be almost purely political reasons and a transparent PR campaign i.e. "was with the explicit aim of promoting international arms control" - which might not be a bad political goal, but always results in bad science.(Also disappointing is that a science educator and a "science/skepticism hero" like Sagan is actually a political hack).

Luckily during the Gulf war the concept came to be empirically tested after Saddam ignited the Kuwait oil wells.

TTAPS predicted :
"stated that they expected catastrophic nuclear winter like effects with continental-sized effects of sub-freezing temperatures ... as a result of the Iraqis going through with their threats of igniting 300 to 500 pressurized oil wells that could subsequently burn for several months. "

In reality 600 wells burned for 8 months.

In the popular media Sagan argued: "that some of the effects of the smoke could be similar to the effects of a nuclear winter.... resulting in global effects. He also argued that he believed the net effects would be very similar to the explosion of the Indonesian volcano Tambora in 1815, which resulted in the year 1816 being known as the Year without Summer. "
" Sagan stressed this outcome was so likely that "It should affect the war plans. "

etc...

In reality nothing happened

Sagan later conceded in his book The Demon-Haunted World that his predictions obviously did not turn out to be correct: 
"it was pitch black at noon and temperatures dropped 4–6 °C over the Persian Gulf, but not much smoke reached stratospheric altitudes and Asia was spared."
(Yes spared..really?...Asia was not "spared" it just that the models and the threat were not real)



The atmospheric scientist tasked with studying the atmospheric effect of the Kuwaiti fires by the National Science Foundation, Peter Hobbs, stated that the fires' modest impact suggested that "some numbers [used to support the Nuclear Winter hypothesis]... were probably a little overblown."
("a little overblown"...I guess this is sarcasm)

Were the empirical data from the Gulf-War "natural experiment" incorporated into this model?
It is easy enough in a model to get any results you want, the important thing to ask is how they were tested, how is this models prediction can be applied to Gulf war data and how they predict the weather effects of 1991? or any other such events.

On the specific questions you're asking about whether empirical data from the Kuwaiti oil field destruction is taken into account: it seems that the answer to each is simply 'yes'. The post says that the data used is adapted from Toon et al. (2007), which projects how much smoke would reach the stratosphere specifically. The paper explicitly considers that event and what the model would predict about them:

Much interest in plume rise was directed at the Kuwati oil fires set by Iraqi forces in 1991. Small (1991) estimated that oil well fires produce energy at a rate of about 300 MW. Since the wells were separated by roughly 1 km, they represent a very small energy source relative to either forest fires or mass fires such as occurred in Hiroshima. Hence these oil well smoke plumes would be expected to be confined to the boundary layer, and indeed were observed within the boundary layer during the Persian Gulf War.

The details of the paper could be wrong – I'm a complete amateur and would be interested to hear the views of people who've looked into it, especially given substantial reliance on this particular paper in the post – but it seems to have already considered the things you raise.

However, this still got me thinking. Why look at smoke from burning oil fields, with their much lower yields, when one could look at smoke from Hiroshima or Nagasaki? It's a grim topic, but more relevant for projecting the effects of other nuclear detonations. After a surprisingly long search, I found this paper, which attempts to measure the height of the 'mushroom cloud' over Hiroshima, which isn't what we're looking for. Fortunately for me, they seem to think that Photo '(a) Around Kurahashi Island' is another photo of the 'mushroom cloud', but in fact it appears* to be the cloud produced by the resulting fires. This explains their surprising result:

The height of the cloud in Figure 1 (a) is estimated to be about 16 km. This largely exceeds the 8 km that was previously assumed.

16km (range 14.54-16.88km) is well into the stratosphere across Russia and most of the US, so it seems that history is compatible with theories which say that weapons on the scale of 'Little Boy' (13–18kt) are likely to cause substantial smoke in the stratosphere.

[*update 17-Sep-2021: various people familiar with nuclear weapons agree that photo (a) is of the smoke from the firestorm, not the 'mushroom cloud'.]

I think the issue is not the energy source/density, the issue is amount of particles in the atmosphere, Sagan/TTAPS is on record saying that the amount of particles is the same magnitude in the Kuwait fires as in their model, in addition at least in theirs simulations the burning of oil/gas deposits within cities like in gas stations cars etc... is what produced the most amount of the particles and particles in the correct mass that would rise and produce the most damage by "self lofting" into the upper layers - hence his predictions.

Also the the nuclear mushroom is completely irrelevant it contributes negligible amounts to particles in the atmosphere, it is not surprising that some smoke is thrown from the blast, but to get "Nuclear Winter" from the model/simulations the main source are the fires and the proposition that the particles will "self loft" and rise and rise and rise....., yet it seems that the fires do not produce any "self lofting", in addition as far as i recall they are also not blocking as much of sun energy as proposed.

Note that it is not that they were a little off, they were completely wrong, more over it was probably completely politically motivated (it is for a good cause so it is ok to inflate inflate and inflate) but we should be really skeptical.

On your general point about paying attention to political biases, I agree that's worthwhile. A quibble related to that which might matter to you: the Wikipedia article you're quoting seems to attribute the incorrect predictions to TTAPS but I could only trace them to Sagan specifically. I could be missing something due to dead/inaccessible links.

Hi Luisa,

A famine killing between 2.7 billion and 7.5 billion would be absolutely horrible. Between 36% and 96% of the world population would die an excruciating and prolonged death.

I think 96 % above should be 99.6 % (= 7.5/7.53), since you considered a global population of 7.5 billion outside of Australia and New Zealand, and these countries have around 30 million.

Thanks for writing this up! I'm really excited to see such a detailed model of nuclear winter risk. As Kit mentioned, the guesstimate model is easy to understand and play with.

With just stored food, trade, and no conflict, I have estimated around 10% of people would survive. However, if the food is not well protected, migrants could go around the world and everyone would starve.

Hi Luisa,

FYI, the picture below is not in agreement with the text.

More feedback:

The label on the burning house should probably say urban rather than wildland.

With a mean of 2.7°C drop, your graph indicates more like 17% loss in precipitation, not 7%.

Though the growing season of a crop is usually expressed in days, more accurate is growing degree days, where you add up the temperature above some base temperature, typically around 4°C. Because nuclear winter would not only shorten the growing season but also reduce average temperatures, it would doubly reduce the growing degree days. Did you take this into account?

This continues to be a very interesting series - thanks for writing it.

Two minor corrections (I think):

  • I believe the formulas for percent change of precipitation (stated as -0.0485 * (teragrams of smoke) + -0.938) and for percent change of temperature (stated as -0.276 * (teragrams of smoke) + -5.55) are the wrong way around. Here I've shown what values the formulas generate, alongside the values you drew from Toon et al., to illustrate that the generated "temperature" values line up fairly well with Toon et al.'s precipitation values and vice versa: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OaXi3Fpr4q1WfwfkodVWTeUeR_Zoj9CYKZ0Jtgr1-jc/edit?usp=sharing
  • It seems that the wrong Toon et al. figure (Figure 6, about fatalities) is shown where Figure 12 (about smoke) is meant to be (after "...the amount of smoke generated by a nuclear exchange of a given size can be represented reasonably well by simple algebraic functions”). I imagine the Figure 12 shown in Appendix B is what was also meant to be used in that earlier place where Figure 6 currently is.

Nice work on the Guesstimate model. I don't think the limited or moderate countervalue scenarios are very likely. I saw study a long time ago that I believe was two people inflicting pain on each other thinking they were just getting tit for tat revenge, but actually there was escalation of something like a factor of three in each exchange. It seems like escalation is a very large factor in most wars. So I think full-scale countervalue is quite likely, even if it starts out as counterforce or limited countervalue.

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