Given that: Altman is increasingly diverging from good governance/showing his true colors, as demonstrated in his power play against board members & his current chip ambitions.
Should there be any strategic changes?
Given that: Altman is increasingly diverging from good governance/showing his true colors, as demonstrated in his power play against board members & his current chip ambitions.
Should there be any strategic changes?
[Also informed by FTX]
Epistemic status: some of these assertions are lightly held, and it's possible they may not apply to specific situations that well. Analyzing someone's motives can be challenging, and I have zero inside knowledge of dynamics at OpenAI.
What to do about these truths is a more difficult question. There are probably some low-hanging fruit: when making a decision, model what would happen if a core person or interconnected core group goes rouge. Incorporate the risk of empowering people who may fall prey to the allure of money, fame, power, etc. into one's assessments. But strongly mitigating against the allure of money, power, fame, etc. when trying to get stuff done -- especially when trying to get stuff done quickly -- is rather difficult.
This is not a 41-year old asserting that we shouldn't trust anyone under thirty! I am, however, asserting that we have much less data about their resilience to the allure of money, power, fame, etc. than we have for a 50-year old who has occupied positions over a period of time with an increasing exposure to that allure. Risk models should reflect that increased uncertainty.
I might be untapped with the latest update here, but did they release the reason behind Altman's firing? I don't think it was ever answered by him in the subsequent interviews. Gradually questions died down or probably dropped from the questioner's list due to a clause, maybe. Now that he is back at the table,[1]I think it has become more urgent to get the original motivations out.
No they didn't, and it looks like we aren't going to see the investigation, unless somebody leaks it. But it looks to me that it had something to do with his pattern of manipulative behavior, and allegedly he lied to other board members that McCauley wanted Toner fired (this was stated in the NY Times article on Murati, I think), which sounds like the proximate cause to me.
But if such behavior came up during the investigation, I'm confused how the investigators could NOT conclude there was good reason for his firing (maybe they're not so independent?) or why the board didn't say something like "Mr. Altman was attempting to get a board member fired by providing false information" (too risky for libel?). Maybe he lied to Sutskever or Brockman, and they didn't want to corroborate it? Questions, questions..
Ah yes, that's a great summary I hadn't read yet. Link: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-facts-from-a-weekend?commentId=eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY
And it looks like likely that phrase actually meant "not required"!
I am not sure if leaks are a reliable source in these cases. For one, these instances don't have material evidence. Somebody (or a bunch of somebodies) can only try to come forward to take action. But I am afraid that's what they tried to do. It was like the first necessary crisis (the sooner, the better) for later events to unfold. I am unsure about their nature. Partially based on the new board's current update on choosing the new members.
No they didn't, and it looks like we aren't going to see the investigation, unless somebody leaks it.
Somebody (or a bunch of somebodies) can only try to come forward to take action. But I am afraid that's what they tried to do.
Here, "they" refers to folks from OpenAI who tried to come forward and do something about Sam's manipulative behavior or lies or whatever was happening. Anyone who may potentially provide the leaks or shed some light.
It was like the first necessary crisis (the sooner, the better) for later events to unfold. I am unsure about their nature.
Here, I am unsure about the nature of the events.
I hope it is clear now.
I would like to add that certain types of people might be predisposed towards power seeking (and succeeding at power seeking), rather than just being corrupted by power, status, money, or fame.
Social Dark Matter offers some interesting takes on this; it's more nuanced than it appears e.g. neurotic people might even be more reputation-obsessed but also potentially more likely than the median human to internalize moral values (or, in the case of EA, commit to internalizing moral values in a lasting way). This is purely speculative food for thought to i... (read more)
Are there statements or predictions which you believe have been falsified by recent events because of these four points?
The things you are saying all sound to me like things people would have agreed with in 2015. The oldest EA-ish post I can find about OAI specifically concludes that the author is distrustful of Sam (though not for the reasons you state). This 2017 post says:
... (read more)I agree with your points in general, but I'm confused at the context. Are you implying here that EA empowered and trusted Sam Altman?: